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to kick in at the same time. they just left. and as they were set to leave, john boehner stood before them and asked for help from god. then today john boehner invoked the all mighty again, telling reporters "god only knows what will happen next with his congressional republicans." god only knows. that was his direct quote. >> how we get there, god only knows. >> even as the republican party increasingly supports displays of religiosity of their officials, it is very rare for their senior leaders in the history of a public negotiation that they have no plan and no understanding what to do next other than to ask the lord get involved to sort it out. we are in a rare moment for the republican party. but you know, just in terms of the serenity prayer, the part that is turning out important about it, the wisdom to know the difference part. because what is happening in washington right now is not a standoff. it's not a fight between the two parties. it is a breakdown inside one of the two parties wherein their own elected leadership not only isn't in charge of their own side, their own elected
, or one well-known version of it, at least, and that prayer is what republican house speaker john boehner reportedly recited to the republicans in congress last night after they defied him and rejected their own party's plan and decided to leave washington rather than participate in making policy to stop the bush tax rates from expiring at the end of the year and the giant spending cuts that have been slated to kick in at the same time. they just left. and as they were set to leave, john boehner stood before them and asked for help from god. then today john boehner invoked the all mighty again, telling reporters "god only knows what will happen next with his congressional republicans." god only knows. that was his direct quote. >> how we get there, god only knows. >> even as the republican party increasingly supports displays of religiosity of their officials, it is very rare for someone very senior in the midst of a high stakes negotiation to say they have no plan and no understanding what to do next other than to ask the lord to get involved and sort it out. we are in a rare moment for
something in return. then, those negotiations went nowhere, so then john boehner went to plan b. and i mean, i think you sense at least when i talk to boehner's people the enormous frustration with the president they're not going him anything to take back to his conference members and saying now what, this is worth violating your tax pledge and that's the problem. so, it seems to me that, you know, he's-- the president's almost saying, now, go over the cliff, i don't care, i know i can blame you and so what? >> well, excuse me, the atmosphere is so toxic at this point, paul, that we've talked about the cliff as though the two sides are trying to negotiate something for the good of the economy, but the republicans in the house at this point believe that a large part of the negotiation is to disadvantage them politically and that the president has a track record of having done that. you remember back when ryan's budget was introduced and you had medicare reforms in it, that was followed by these tv commercials about literally throwing grandma off the cliff. the obama never turned-- shut down
with your doctor. it's your adhd. own it. ♪ >> house speaker john boehner's effort to pass fallback legislation to avert a fiscal crisis collapsed a so-called plan b after some conservatives balked at p provisions to let tax rates rise on those making over a million dollars. is there a plan c or over the fiscal cliff. dan henninger, editorial board member. mary anastasia o'grady and jason riley. where do we stand right now with the collapse of plan b? >> well, it's no fun being john boehner right now. he's still in a tight spot and the concern that the republicans have is that obama's panel strength and as we go over the cliff and tax rates go up. but i really think the buck stops with the president here. when you go into the negotiating sessions, paul and you're expected to make concessions, but you're expect today get something in return and boehner made a major concession on rights and the president is giving him nothing in return to take that to his caucus and say, this is what happened in the horse trading. it's all or nothing, obama seems determined to humiliate the opposition
before heading home for christmas, but no deal of course. after house speaker john boehner called off his push for a plan b last week saying the ball is now in the democrats' court. there has been no movement toward any deal. democrats want tax hikes for the wealthy. republicans want spending cuts. and some in the gop say the president doesn't want to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> when i listen to the president, i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. i think he sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff. he gets all of this additional tax revenue for new programs and he gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years and he gets to blame republicans for it. >> president obama for his part said he is optimistic a deal can still be reached. he spoke at the white house friday before leaving for hawaii where he is now. but at the same time the president acknowledging there might not be time for any kind of a grand bargain. he scaled back his goals and pushing not for the big deal, but for middle class tax cut and extended ben
economic growth. how we get there, god only knows. >> laura: chaos in the g.o.p. as speaker john boehner fails to sell his colleagues on his plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. so what now? >> rather than face her own moral failings the media demonized lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws and fill the national media with misinformation and dishonest thinking. >> and the nra breaks its silence for the first time since the massacre in newtown, connecticut. and blasts the media for glorifying violence. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. >> hi, everyone, i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. just days before christmas. we begin with the best possible news. 27-year-old corporal john hammar, a former marine, who has been locked up in a mexican prison on a trumped up charge since august looking forward to spending christmas as a free man. a mexican judge ordered his release this morning after the factor launched a campaign for justifiable. hammar was arrested in matamoros mexico. he was following directio
at the white house today to try to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. in the meantime, harry reid refers to john boehner's leadership as a dictatorship. not helpful. >>> but first, to your top stories this morning -- retired general norman schwarzkopf died thursday at his home in tampa, florida, he's credited with devising the plan that drove saddam hussein's forces out of kuwait in 1991. known as stormin' norman for his strong personality. >>> the general said that he did agree with president george h.w. bush's decision not to follow saddam's decision into baghdad. >> ladies and gentlemen, when we here, we were 150 miles away from baghdad and there's nobody between us and bagsd. if our intention to take iraq, to destroy the country, if it had been our intention to overrun the country, we could have done it unopposed from this position at that time. >> schwarzkopf was honored for his service with the medal of freedom. queen elizabeth even awarded him with a knight hood. >>> former president george h.w. bush praised his leadership yesterday. general schwarzkopf is survived by his wife and three k
-called fiscal cliff we have been talking about, after failing to get enough support for his plan, john boehner now says it is up to democrats to come up with a solution. with the deadline just days away now and the president and congress home for the holidays, do lawmakers have enough time to reach a comp nize? how would it work? national correspondent steve centanni may be the only person left in washington. steve. >> reporter: it feels like it, the president is in hawaii and congress is out of town and the fiscal cliff negotiations are on hold for the holidays with no agreement in sight. john boehner is throwing the ball in the democrats' court saying the debt is too high, spending out of control and taxes should not go up. in the g.o.p.'s weekly address, he accused the president and the democrats of refusing to accept a reasonable compromise. >> the best way to address our crippling debt is to make significant spending cuts and fix our tax code. to pave the way for long term growth and opportunity. this is an approach most americans support and remains republicans' highest priority. but we
for watching. it's home for the holidays with no deal. house speaker john boehner only has himself to blame. boehner's plan b gimmick failed big time last night at this point a fiscal cliff deal with boehner's members would probably require divine intervention. >> how we get there, god only knows. but all i've done is -- eric and i and our team here are committed to working with our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, both sides of the capitol and the white house to address it. >> after a day with dealing with humiliation, boehner hit the gavel and sent his members home for the holidays. there will be no deal this weekend. then boehner took the walk of shame out of the capitol. it's unclear whether he will be the speaker in the new year. it was the same sad walk many house members took last night when they couldn't get their own folks to vote on boehner's plan b. republican leaders can't strike a deal with their own members. how will they strike one with the president of the united states? boehner was scrambling for excuses today. >> you know, one of my colleagues the other night had an
, but ultimately john boehner has said he wants the majority of republican members of the house to vote for whatever deal happens. that's a key factor. they have to agree to something that president obama also agrees to. that's a big gap. basically he's -- i don't know that there's 120 house republican votes for that yet. plan b was voted on, a -- house republicans wouldn't approve of that, either. the how is like a big block here on any kind of permanent deal. >>> i want to bring in debbie wasserman schultz, florida democrat and head of the dnc. congresswoman, when you look at what's happening today, you know, this meeting that's going to be happening at 3:00 p.m., what's going to be talked about there, what do you think? >> look, as long as the leaders are talking, there is still time for us to hammer out a deand prevent us from going over the fiscal cliff. what will be talked about today is what do the outlines and parameters of a possible deal look like that can be agreed to by a majority of democrats and republicans. really i think the key thing here is, will john boehner, instead
speaker john boehner failed to garner enough support from his own party to even hold a vote on his plan to raise taxes for those with an income over $1 million. >> while we may have not been able to get the votes last night, to avert 99.81% of the tax increases, i don't think they weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with the perception that somebody might accuse them of raising taxes. >> "outfront" tonight, chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and dana bash. ladies, nice to see both of you. jessica, we'll start with you. the president's message was short and sweet and kind of basic. what do you think is different this time around in what he is saying? >> well, what's different is it is less than two weeks until the new year and the president is about to leave for hawaii, and congress is going to be gone for christmas, too, and you know there is no more effective motivator for capitol hill than pressure, and they have it right now. what the president has done today is he has laid out a scaled down version of a fiscal cliff deal, you know, keeping tax cuts in place
still in disarray. seemed earlier this week, the president obama, house speaker john boehner, would get a deal that would include deficit reduction and tax reform. that has fallen apart. so there is a big question mark about what happens now. how they move forward. president obama boarded air force one friday evening with his family. as they left for hawaii. but a little earlier in the day, he met with senate majority leader harry reid and spoke with house speaker john bainer and addressed the nation on the topic of avoiding the fiscal cliff. called on lawmakers to compromi compromise, to get a deal done. he acknowledged time has run out for getting a larger package. what they need to focus on now is getting a smaller deal that will avoid taxes from going up on middle class americans. meanwhile, a very rough friday for house speaker john boehner, really spent most of the day, explaining what has been views as a political blow, when on thursday, many republicans refused to back his plan b. that is speaker boehner's alternative plan for avoiding the fiscal cliff and called for allowing ra
, john boehner. let's figure out this guy. what is his story? he's the leader of the party that doesn't want to be led by him or anybody. they don't even -- well, it's not even actually a political party. it's a faction of tea party people telling the most republicans that they're not playing ball with them. >>> also tonight, hating hillary. that was the intriguing idea behind a politico story. when will the right learn to rekindle its hatred for hillary. everybody played the hillary card lately saying how great she was on the right so they could make obama look bad. at some point they will have to confront hillary clinton herself as the chief democrat in the country. when will they pivot? >>> if you're worried we'll soon be governed by sharia law, have no fear. republicans are keeping us safe from something that was never going to happen anyway. that and other low lights there 2012 in the "sideshow." >>> and finally my hopes for the upcoming year, especially from the president. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> massachusetts congressman ed markey announced today his can
obama cutting his vacation short to avoid the fiscal cliff but house speaker john boehner says the people who need to take action are not in the oval office. >>> as the investigation continues into the deaths of four americans in libya we're learning people who were initially blamed are back on the payroll with little or no punishment. >>> unbelievable video. some aquariumgoers getting way too close to a real live shark. as close as you can get without becoming dinner. it is all "happening now." harris: hello, everyone, i'm harris faulkner, in today for jenna lee. jon: nice to have you up here in the big studio instead of down in the newsroom. harris: good to be here. jon: i'm jon scott. there is deadly weather pounding the united states. a powerful winter storm bringing snow and driving rain to the northeast. blizzard conditions in some areas. it is the same system that brought winter storms and tornados to the south and midwest. at least 12 people have died in this system. we're seeing major travel problems today as well. some areas are getting slammed all night long. anna ko
wants tax cuts to expire for everyone except those making $250,000 a year. john boehner's plan "b" was anyone making under $1 million a year. neither seemed to work. it looked like president obottomma was coming back with the same deal, $250. they are miles apart. they are miles apart. >> there is a big divide. andrea, you were able to speak with a number of people on the hill. what reaction are you getting? >> well, the president has spread these stories and people in his administration that he is going to come to the table with a deal. we have been hearing that all week long. that did not happen. swan dive, we're going off the cliff. president obama wants us to go off. he is going to come back with a larger plan, the obama tax cuts. then he will be able to reinstate those across-the-board sequestration cuts to gut things like defense, national institutes of health. he will be able to reinstate a lot of programs and give his caucus the opportunity to say, look, i am voting for something and to restore tax cuts for the middle class. i am voting to restore the great things. and the
cliff delate. after john boehner called off the push for a so called plan b saying the ball is now in the democrat's court there has been no movement towards any kind of deal. the wealthy and republicans want spending cuts. one key republican says what we really need is leadership. >> if you want leaders you have to lead. the president has been a pathetic fiscal leaders. he produced three budgets and can't get one vote for the budget. i would vote for revenues including tax rate hikes even though i i don't like them to save the country from becoming greece. but i am not going to set aside the $1.2 trillion in cuts. >> the president meantime is in hawaii, but he spoke out on the fiscal cliff at the white house on friday before leaving town for christmas. he scaled back his goals for the few remaining days between now and the end of the year. he is focusing now on the middle class tax cut and extended unemployment benefits. both of which would disappear january 1st if nothing is done. the president and his supporters believe a larger deal is possible, one that includes higher taxes o
their lines in the sand. john boehner, house speaker told his troops yesterday that he would not go in there and cut any deals. mitch mcconnell is going in there, he spends all morning talking on the floor with his members in the middle of a bunch of votes over there, he's taking their thoughts about what they can expect over there. but there is no reason to think that there is going to be any big breakthrough here. the two sides are just too far apart and too entrenched. is essentially a last-ditch effort to try to basically see if something gets done. heather: talk to me more about that. what we are seeing is a plan c. extending tax cuts, unemployment benefits for people who are going to lose it at the end of the year, and laying the groundwork for growth and deficit reduction. that sounds like tamino guaranteed significant cuts either. >> that's right. part of the problem there for republicans is what they are giving him. they are giving up the tax leverage they would have for bigger and broader tax reform for next year. part of the reason why i don't think we get a deal out of l
. >> thank you. >>> here's one take on the fiscal cliff. john boehner's animal house. we are bogey to talk to "the washington post" writer who says in boehner's house the animals are rampaging. what's that mean? we will have an answer for you in the next half hour. >>> nasty weather is lingering just before christmas. aaa predicts 93 million of us will be traveling long distances over the holidays. that includes those that are flying. with a hello to you. how is it looking out there? not too bad in terms of traffic behind you. >> that's exactly right. good afternoon. it isn't too bad. here chilly but sunny and no problems to report in atlanta. most major airports throughout the country are run okay. one exception may be san francisco. bus there were rain delays there earlier today. but -- traffic slowing down a few of the other airports. according to flight aware.com so far only about 70 nights cancelled in the u.s. so far today. that's a big difference from thursday and provide when that storm blew through the plains and midwest and the northeast. forcing the cancellation of more than 600
and harry reid. republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. those four members of congress are expected to make the drive from the capital, which you see on the right, down pennsylvania avenue, to the white house, there on the left. and we expect them to enter through a side door on the west side of the mansion. that's the entrance right there. and they'll meet with the president. in the oval office. beginning, we're told, at 3:00 p.m., less than one hour from now. and just four days ahead of the so-called fiscal cliff. so a very big moment in the nation's capital. and to walk us through what might happen we turn to jessica yellin, a chief white house correspondent. jessica, we said up front, it is a long shot, give us a best case scenario. >> reporter: the best case scenario would be that all the leaders walk out of this meeting and say they have a deal. the two senators say they can bring it to a vote, and none of their members will filibuster it. house speaker john boehner says he will bring it to the house floor for a vote before new year's eve and house minority leader nancy pelosi
report. >> holman: house speaker john boehner went before cameras this morning just hours after he abandoned a vote on his "plan b". >> it's not the outcome that i wanted, but that was the will of the house. >> holman: boehner's plan would have raised tax rates for households making more than $1 million, whereas president obama would raise rates on incomes above $400,000. but last night, as the vote neared, it became clear that at least two dozen rank-and-file republicans still opposed any increase. so party leaders abruptly ended the session. >> the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> holman: at that point, republicans called an emergency meeting here in their capitol conference room, and leaders told members they did not have the votes. they announced the house would break until after christmas, but did not name a date when the chamber would reconvene. today, the speaker dismissed any suggestion that the turn of events was a rejection of his leadership. >> they weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with the perception that somebody might acc
pelosi, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and house speaker john boehner. they have only four days to reach an agreement or the u.s. economy will go off the so- called "fiscal cliff." that's when automatic spending increases and cuts would take effect. reaching a deal won't be easy because both sides are involved in a high stakes political blame game. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> i told the president we would be happy to look at wah he proposes but the truth is we are coming up against a hard deadline and as i said this is a conversation we should have had months ago. >> reporter: democrats want to extend the bush-era tax cuts to everyone except those americans making $250,000 or more a year. many republicans are against any tax increases. most americans just want something to be done. >> people are just tired of partisanship and they want everyone to come together. >> reporter: if lawmakers don't r
and nancy pelosi leading republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. no deal can be reached in past without their cooperation. with the meeting comes a glimmer of hope. in the past all the ifisical cliff talks meetings like this have been the least productive of all. whether he meant to or not the senate majority leader may have spoken for a nation exhausted by seemingly endless fiscal cliff negotiations. >> what's going on here? >> reporter: what indeed. president obama returned to the white house in a grim mood. he met with no congressional leaders and said nothing about his efforts to avert the fiscal cliff, talks continue between senior white house and congressional staff, but that's been true throughout this entire saga. with the deadline looming there were dire predictions. >> come the first of this year americans will have less income than they have today. >> reporter: and recriminations. >> now republicans have bent over backwards. we stepped way, way out of our comfort zone. we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. >> reporter: the senate's top dem
like had been on the table in so-called plan a, the $4 trillion debt deal he and john boehner had been talking about for weeks. so we might see a small bit of spending cuts just to stave off the sequester, the massive amount of spending cuts that will kick in at the beginning of the year to harm the pentagon and other agencies. if they are getting anything, there are low expectations but if they get anything it will be a very small deal, something much smaller than they have been talking about for weeks, jon. jon: there aren't too many people these meetings. so a little hard to get an assessment, what is your idea, what is your best, yeah, assessment i guess how things are between some of these leaders? >> reporter: they have gotten pretty tense the last couple of days as they have come back from the christmas holiday. we saw yesterday senate majority leader harry reid basically accusing john boehner of running a deck tate toreship, that was his word in the house of representatives. reid piled on a little bit late yesterday afternoon and senate republican leader mitch mcconnell respond
are expected at the white house. senate leaders harry reid and its mcconnell, house leaders john boehner and nancy pelosi. it was a done with vice- president joe biden and president obama to work on a short time fixed for the crisis. >> i hope there is a deal that avoid the worst parts of the fiscal cliff, mainly taxes going up and middle-class people. i think the odds are better than they could be that people think. >> the agreement would include not only an extension of middle- class tax cuts but would also extend unemployment benefits for millions. >> tax increases need to be avoided, they can be. in the end, we will get a deal. the question is the timing. it is encouraging that both sides continue to sit down and have lines of communication open. >> but a smaller deal will only leave a problem for the incoming congress in january. that is discouraging to america's ceo's. >> we still have the big problem of how we are going to fix our deficit and debt in the country. we know the parties have to work together, and we know we have to resolve this as quickly as possible. >> wall street i
cuts to expire for everyone except those making under $250,000 a year. john boehner plan "b" making $1 million. this looked like president obama coming back with the same deal at 250. they are miles apart. >> kimberly: you were able to speak to people on the hill. what was your reaction? >> andrea: the president spread the stories that he will come to the table with a deal. swan dive off the fiscal cliff, hold your nose. we're going off. president obama wants to us go off hecht will come back with a largeer plan. the obama tax cut. then he will be able to reintate across-the-board sequestration cuts. 8.2% across the board. cut defense and health. they will be able to reintate a lot of programs and give his caucus the opportunity to say look, i am voting for something. i am voting to restore tax cuts for the middle class. voting to restore great thin things. republicans are in a tough position. no one will say vote to restore the tax cut for rich. this is his game plan from day one. >> eric: what is the a terptive? $250,000 and above? we see obama not oftenning cuts at all. looking for
optimistic that a deal could be reached. he's counting on the sen if we l cliff because john boehner, the speaker of the house of representatives wasn't able to get the republicans to get the republicans to support a plan b. >> here is the rub, may i go? here is the rub. >> please. >> boehner knows how to negotiate and took on bowles plan, simpson bowles, he took on part of their plan, his first proposal. his second proposal was nancy pelosi's proposal she offered in may of this year of doing tax cuts on people of one million dollars and above, that are one million and above. >> and now plan c now. >> now, now proposal-- >> for the republicans to get-- >> no, he was not and that's his failure dealing with his party, but as for negotiating, boehner has put forth many things. it's president obama that needs to take a page out of the play book of clinton to be able to move more to the middle. >> kelly: okay. and core of both of your arguments, here is what we're seeing on capitol hill as well, members of both sides of the aisle can't agree to disagree on things, there's no common ground
be controlled by john boehner. so you still have that divided congress. but the calculation is not, you know, a numerical one. it's the idea that if they go home -- first if they go home for christmas break, they'd feel the pressure, but it doesn't seem like that's coming. if they go over the cliff and they do mess with the debt ceiling, that people are going to get freaked and spooked because you'll start hearing stories about social security recipients facing the prospect of smaller checks from the government, unemployment insurance completely dried up, payroll tax cut is a big thing. your paycheck is going to start showing more is taken out of it for the payroll tax. and that will, in turn, cause the type of pressure on the new income in congress to get something done. it's interesting that we led off with kay bailey hutchison who's retiring, doesn't have a lot of the political pressures that others have. she said let's make a deal. her prediction, probably the right one, they're going to go home. suddenly once it passes, obama wim introduce his own package which will look like what he's
of representatives, the honorable john boehner. >> ladies and all men, good afternoon and welcome to the capital. this is a great day for the american people, and we are happy to welcome you here today. gold medals are the highest level of appreciation for distinguished achievement. the first congressional gold medal was awarded to general george washington in 1776 for liberating the city of boston. today, we will present a congressional gold medal to aung san suu kyi in recognition of her efforts to liberate the people of burma. today, we celebrate her steadfast commitment to democracy, stability, and human dignity, and we do so in a manner worthy of her ideals. nancy pelosi initiated the measure of awarding this metal and republican george w. bush signed into law. his wife, former first lady laura bush, is with us today, as is her predecessor, secretary of state hillary clinton. coming together in mutual respect, a step from the chambers where we passionately debate the issues of the day that has become almost second nature to us. but it is a blessing, and we will hear over and over during the
republicans. >> reporter: all eyes now turning to the possibility since speaker john boehner was not able to get enough republican votes to move forward with a plan late last week, that maybe now the senate will have to workout a compromise between harry reid, mitch mcconnell the democratic and republican leaders, and the president who is here in hawaii when you talk to his staff they say it's very likely some time after spending christmas with his family, whether it's the middle or later part of this week he's likely to head back to washington to sit down with congressional leaders and try to work this out. >> reporter: it's a bit encouraging for a lot of folks who were wondering about that question. i'm curious is there anyone on the island that is critical to the fiscal talks that joined the president on this trip or is everything being done electronically? >> reporter: most electronic leave. the one interesting point is when i mentioned the memorial service for senator inouye the person giving the oo eulogy was harry reid. they may have got even a chance for a little private time. the
-called plan b failed in the house, john boehner, speaker of the house said, look, it's up to the senate. we'll not do anything more. we already passed a bill a while back that would extend bush tax cuts for everybody. it is up to the senate to do something. you have senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, the republican saying it is up to the democrats to do something. we'll not do anything until president obama and the democrats come up with a plan and president obama actually late yesterday did call all four leaders, majority, minority leaders in the house and senate that includes mitch mcconnell and said the first time a democrat called him since thanksgiving to talk about this. so they're talking but there is no indication anybody is actually doing anything right now. gregg: what about harry reid? what's his, does he have anything at all maybe towards the end of the week he will put on the table? i've been hearing he will put to a vote an extension of the bush tax cuts for anybody making under $250,000 a year, extend unemployment benefits for some 2 million people that are about to lose
: sources say john boehner referred to his senate colleagues and told them house leaders would consider their plan. one item raising the debt limit is not expected to be a part of any final compromise. if senate leaders fail the president wants congress to vote his plan keeping tax cuts for making $250,000 a year less, extending unemployment benefits for some 2 million people and delaying spending cuts until later this year. white house officials that top senate republican will be a key force in getting a deal after he made these comments. >> we are engaged in discussions majority leader and white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and majority leader can make to his conference. >>> among the issues to be hammered out is income level for extending president bush tax cuts. they send it on $250,000 but it sounds like $400,000 is where negotiations are heading. a leading republican senator says permanent is key giving certainty on tax rates that g.o.p. senators say a permanent solution for the alternativ
and with budgeted talks in disarray, president obama and speaker john boehner are searching for a way to avoid tumbling over. >> we move forward together or we don't move forward at all. so, as we leave town for a few days to be with our families through the holidays. i hope it gives some perspective. >> we propose plans that democrats used to support but now they won't. i don't want taxes to go up. republicans don't want taxes to go up. but we only run the house, democrats continue to run washington. >> gregg: national correspondent steve centanni joins us live from washington. >> reporter: d.c. may be some shutting down for christmas but the clock hasn't stopped and fiscal cliff is closer than ever. no deal was reached this week to keep taxes from going up. joan boehner pulled plug on the plan "b" and he says it is now up to the president and g.o.p. is continuing to hammer away at president obama. >> this is the year size of our debt surpassed the our economy. a grim milestone if we don't come to grips to w it. the president's plan to raise tax rates ko could still be as far as eye could see
't raise taxes and we shouldn't raise them at all but can't do more than john boehner's plan b, and didn't go to a vote. >> one for million. icle >> it would raise you billion in revenue. they were not for it in the first place but maybe get something through if obama willing to cut. obama administration said if you pass it in the house and september passed it, obama would veto it anyway. they are so far apart. this i am flying back from hawaii and see if i can bring them back together. they are far apart as they have been. >> kelly: why are they having the meeting? because of the talk and rhetoric is ramping up and the agreement is going down. i mean, for example, senate majority leader harry reid is name calling and calling john boehner a dictator . this is what he had to say. >> the american people i don't think the house representative is operating without the house of representative. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker not allowing the vast majority of the house and representatives to get what they want. >> that sounds ridiculous f. it was a dictatorship boehner
happened this week with john boehner's failure to bring even a vote on so-called plan b to be an embarrassment for the speaker, but you think that the g.o.p. dodged a bullet here? >> yeah, they dodged a serious bullet here in in case, when you think about it one of the most appealing quality of their brand they're principally opposed to tax increases that we don't have a revenue problem that we have a spending problem. to be on record as voting for a very anti-growth tax increase, i think, would imperil their house majority. >> and stf with just new years avenue, december 31st he. but he says actually the drop dead is the 27th to do the technicalities they have to do to pass by the end of the year. december 27th, that's just really a few minutes away. are they going to be able to do anything by then? >> they clearly could do something, but i think it's important for the republicans at this point to sit back and realize they've made a compromise. president obama walked away. now, the ball is in his court to actually give them something much better. if not these tax increa
in new taxes, john boehner has said he's willing to give $1 trillion. obama said he wants $800 billion in spending cuts, same thing for boehner. but the difference comes with the once again, the tax threshold. president obama originally said he would be willing to go with the $400,000 tax threshold. and as boehner said going off obama's words, he was willing to do it at $1 million. it comes down to what that threshold is. >> karen finney, i want to ask you about the same question, this ten days business. but i also want to amendment that question or expand it. how much damage did the republicans do last night by blowing up plan "b"? in other words, does that take them out of the power position in the negotiations? >> absolutely. because i think at this point, it's pretty clear that any kind of -- boehner could not get, what? 117 votes. so it's clear whatever happens next, he's not going to be able to rely on his own caucus to make that happen. that means, who do you need? nancy pelosi and you're going to have to get democrats to get something through the house. and so, i certainly thin
of john boehner. guest: we are so used to these losing presidential campaigns, the two running mates, in and it was not so vivid in this case. in fact, what i think was less though, but even compared to other campaigns, paul ryan wanted to be more of a jack kemp conservative, talking about empowering lower-income voters. he was denied a way to do that in a full throttle way. there was what we were just talking about in a while. he advocated early on to do an automotive advertisements based on his home town in wisconsin, which had a big gm plant. guest: he supported the bailout. it is " yes. but i think they got along pretty well. there were some areas of tension, but for the most part, for all of the buzz about paul ryan when he was picked, he became a pretty conventional running mate in terms of his impact, which was not very significant. host: we go now to our caller. caller: thank you. the presidential level, 2016, in particular, with hillary clinton it appearing to be already the nominee, and then the other question i have for you is after the bush debate, it did seem like mitt r
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